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E LAGODA
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ultra trail running advice
Mar 14th, 2010, 6:48pm
 
Need input from all the ultra folks....
I've signed up for the 50 miler this fall at Farmdale.  I've finished 8 marathons,1 trail marathon and one 30 mile trail at McN (before they dropped that distance).  I will run Illinois marathon in May in hopes to get BQ.  Plans then turn to the trail adventure.  I would like workout advice, night running tips, foot care, websites, etc.  If interest is there, I would host a info session at my East Peoria home or set up a meeting date and time.  Just need people to come and share their knowledge.
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Re: ultra trail running advice
Reply #1 - Mar 14th, 2010, 7:25pm
 
Since it's our race-I'm in.  Sounds like fun.  I guarantee you'll get some advice-ultra people love to talk about ultra running.  
 
I would say if you've run 30 at McN-you could follow a real similar training program.  Maybe just add a bit of mileage to your long runs.  But really, there's not a ton of difference between running 30 and 50 (I know....20 miles).  But really, the training, in my opinion, is really similar.
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 14th, 2010, 7:59pm
 
You know I love you ultra people, but on this of all days (pi day), I gotta say:
 
You guys really stink at math (and logic).
 
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there's not a ton of difference between running 30 and 50 (I know....20 miles)

 
Other quotes come to mind (mostly from Mike S), about how if you can run 32, 50's easy, and 75's just a little more than that, and then you ONLY have to run a marathon after that to make the hundred.
 
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Math was never my strong suit anyhow...
 
 
 
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Re: ultra trail running advice
Reply #3 - Mar 14th, 2010, 8:48pm
 
If you want some good night running advice come pace me for the last 40 miles at the Kettle Moraine 100 miler the first weekend of June.  Only a 3 hour drive up there, probably hit the 60 mile mark around 6 or 7 pm and run until finishing (would hope before sunrise this time).  
Night running is not really what would be needed for Farmdale I know for me getting ready for my first 50 miler was just doing a couple back to back marathons (Sat and Sun, not one weekend and then the next) or do a marathon on Saturday and go back out and run another long 15-20 on sore tired legs.  You just need time on sore tired legs, that is why I suggested pacing for 40 miles at Kettle, not to tough of a pace but will give excellent training for that and plus will be able to see what you think you will want in drop bags, eat at aid stations, etc.
A couple of books that I have if you want to borrow that I found quite helpful are:  "Running Through the Wall, personal encounters with the ultramarathon" by Neal Jamison and "Fixing your Feet" by John Vonhof.  Like I said I have both on my shelf if you don't want to purchase you can borrow.
Looking at what you have finished you will have no problem just keep on it going into the event.  If you visit the website run100s.com there are some example training programs listed there for the 50 mile distance and also the 100 just visit that as there is a ton of information there.  The only part that will make the Farmdale 50 tough will be doing loops, those are always hard to do, believe me I did 15 loops at McN for the 150, they are tough just get in an back out on the next especially when you see people dropping or going home or finishing a shorter distance, you think it is just not fair I want to be done.  You know how it goes, you did the 30 at McN.
Congrats on signing up.  That is the biggest step to throw your money down and make the commitment.  Now.... what will be your first 100? Kettle Moraine June of 1011  Grin
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Reply #4 - Mar 14th, 2010, 9:19pm
 
Klop was correct about there not being a ton of difference between running a 50 and the 30.  I think the biggest thing one needs going into is determination and stubbornness.  You will not feel any worse than the 30 but you will feel that way for another 4 to 6 hours but just deal with each thing that comes your way and go on.  Just like in a 100 you feel no worse than a 50 but just for another 12 to 14 hours longer.
Have a reward in mind for yourself.  It could be a big greasy cheesburger or if I were running Farmdale I would promise myself a Sonics cheeseburger, cheddar bites, and a chocolate milkshake.  That will make any pain go away.
Sorry for all of the blah, blah, blah.
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Reply #5 - Mar 15th, 2010, 9:25am
 
Thanks to those already responding.  I know I made the right choice to sign up early, so I wouldn't back out later.  I'm plenty stubborn, ask my husband.  I've almost perfected this technique: not to listen to myself when the brain tells the legs to STOP.  I try and reverse that "tape" in my head and tell the legs they are STRONG and that it is my head that it is crazy....it has worked the past to marathons.
 
Mike, first weekend in June will be a half trail marathon with my husband in Deadwood SD.  This is his first half and I can't wait!!!  Kettle Moraine is great.  We ran trails there last fall in October.  Stayed in a great B & B in Plymouth.  I love following your accomplishments on the forum.  Please introduce yourself, if we cross paths.
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